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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;d love to take a public beating.</title>
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		<title>By: Reading Manifestos</title>
		<link>http://historiarum.org/2007/02/12/id-love-to-take-a-public-beating/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Reading Manifestos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] History Polyglot: How to Translate or Interpret in a Digital World, Historiarum&#8217;s I&#8217;d Love to Take a Public Beating, Misha&#8217;s Thank you, Sepoy, and Laura&#8217;s Three Cheers for Digital [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] History Polyglot: How to Translate or Interpret in a Digital World, Historiarum&#8217;s I&#8217;d Love to Take a Public Beating, Misha&#8217;s Thank you, Sepoy, and Laura&#8217;s Three Cheers for Digital [...]</p>
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		<title>By: manan ahmed</title>
		<link>http://historiarum.org/2007/02/12/id-love-to-take-a-public-beating/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>manan ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, web 2.0 is qualitatively different from the venues of public discourse traditionally available to a scholar: Op-ed, newspaper quote, a book etc. Yes, web 2.0, lowers the bar of entrance, widens your audience by multifold, enables dialogue that is transformative by its very nature. 

A digital archive though - a presentation of one&#039;s research - is a far greater contribution - by the mere fact of substance alone. 

My reticence about the traditional mode of public-scholarship is that it is dependent on media which must pay attention to word-limits, attractiveness to the audience, appeal etc. My case in point, heck, my shining example, is Niall Ferguson [about whom you can read further on CM]. There is a lot more that Ferguson can do with a digital archive than he can do with an op-ed. 

Thanks though, for your comments, everyone. Lots for me to think through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, web 2.0 is qualitatively different from the venues of public discourse traditionally available to a scholar: Op-ed, newspaper quote, a book etc. Yes, web 2.0, lowers the bar of entrance, widens your audience by multifold, enables dialogue that is transformative by its very nature. </p>
<p>A digital archive though &#8211; a presentation of one&#8217;s research &#8211; is a far greater contribution &#8211; by the mere fact of substance alone. </p>
<p>My reticence about the traditional mode of public-scholarship is that it is dependent on media which must pay attention to word-limits, attractiveness to the audience, appeal etc. My case in point, heck, my shining example, is Niall Ferguson [about whom you can read further on CM]. There is a lot more that Ferguson can do with a digital archive than he can do with an op-ed. </p>
<p>Thanks though, for your comments, everyone. Lots for me to think through.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Albers</title>
		<link>http://historiarum.org/2007/02/12/id-love-to-take-a-public-beating/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Albers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, in saying I thought Ahmed did little with it, I did not mean anything along the lines of software production. I simply meant he seemed to explore the idea of developing a public discourse via the Web only briefly, which I found surprising. Maybe this is because the idea is too obvious to warrant much attention, but I found it interesting nonetheless. Your comment basically explicates what I tried (but seemingly failed) to say-that blogging is a public discourse and allows us to much more easily approach the model Ahmed offers of historian-as-translator in a Chomsky or a West.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, in saying I thought Ahmed did little with it, I did not mean anything along the lines of software production. I simply meant he seemed to explore the idea of developing a public discourse via the Web only briefly, which I found surprising. Maybe this is because the idea is too obvious to warrant much attention, but I found it interesting nonetheless. Your comment basically explicates what I tried (but seemingly failed) to say-that blogging is a public discourse and allows us to much more easily approach the model Ahmed offers of historian-as-translator in a Chomsky or a West.</p>
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		<title>By: tad</title>
		<link>http://historiarum.org/2007/02/12/id-love-to-take-a-public-beating/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>tad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that he &quot;seems to do little with it.&quot;

This is a blog entry in an ongoing blog, one that updates fairly regularly (it&#039;s bookmarked in my del.icio.us)... I think it&#039;s unfair to expect someone voicing opinions such as these to, in the same place, put up some sort of content-hosting web 2.0 application right there.

Blogging has less cultural capital than publishing, still, certainly, but it&#039;s a cheap, easy way to get your ideas out into the aether. Search-engine spiders love blogs, because they&#039;re highly hyperlinked... the idea behind the word &quot;blogosphere&quot; deserves some attention. An idea that gets out into a blog that others are reading tends to create a &quot;cloud&quot; of interlinked blog articles... these then generate further readership by drawing in from each blog&#039;s periphery-- the readership that doesn&#039;t fall in the Venn diagram of two blog&#039;s readerships...

Overall, it&#039;s just a single article by someone who is hoping to create a public presence for himself. It&#039;s linked to this class&#039;s page, which is  linked to all of Prof P&#039;s other class&#039;s pages, the blogs that are attached to each of those classes, and it&#039;s also linked to many of our blogs. Suddenly, as spiders pass through, we&#039;re building this guy &quot;Google juice&quot; as this happens-- and a certain amount of residual juice trickles down to our blogs, too.

All this widens the pool to a group that&#039;s larger than just, say, those who have access to and read a certain scholarly journal. 

It&#039;s easy to forget, when you&#039;re blogging like we are for this class, that blogging is in fact a very public act. Do you read the visitor stats on your blog? You might be surprised how many people end up on your page from seemingly-random Google searches.

Overall, though, the guy did something public in publishing a blog, and ended up getting read by a PhD level class at a school halfway across the country-- not bad for someone who, according to his bio, still hasn&#039;t completed his PhD.

Personally, because of the public nature of all this, I try to always remind myself that the assignments in the classes that require blogs are at least potentially profile-raising (for better or for worse.)

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It&#039;s interesting that you mentioned flickr, though-- it&#039;s another thing, like blogging, that&#039;s democratizing access to production...

A friend of mine just paid half her rent with a picture on her flickr account that got picked up by Newsweek online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment that he &#8220;seems to do little with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a blog entry in an ongoing blog, one that updates fairly regularly (it&#8217;s bookmarked in my del.icio.us)&#8230; I think it&#8217;s unfair to expect someone voicing opinions such as these to, in the same place, put up some sort of content-hosting web 2.0 application right there.</p>
<p>Blogging has less cultural capital than publishing, still, certainly, but it&#8217;s a cheap, easy way to get your ideas out into the aether. Search-engine spiders love blogs, because they&#8217;re highly hyperlinked&#8230; the idea behind the word &#8220;blogosphere&#8221; deserves some attention. An idea that gets out into a blog that others are reading tends to create a &#8220;cloud&#8221; of interlinked blog articles&#8230; these then generate further readership by drawing in from each blog&#8217;s periphery&#8211; the readership that doesn&#8217;t fall in the Venn diagram of two blog&#8217;s readerships&#8230;</p>
<p>Overall, it&#8217;s just a single article by someone who is hoping to create a public presence for himself. It&#8217;s linked to this class&#8217;s page, which is  linked to all of Prof P&#8217;s other class&#8217;s pages, the blogs that are attached to each of those classes, and it&#8217;s also linked to many of our blogs. Suddenly, as spiders pass through, we&#8217;re building this guy &#8220;Google juice&#8221; as this happens&#8211; and a certain amount of residual juice trickles down to our blogs, too.</p>
<p>All this widens the pool to a group that&#8217;s larger than just, say, those who have access to and read a certain scholarly journal. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to forget, when you&#8217;re blogging like we are for this class, that blogging is in fact a very public act. Do you read the visitor stats on your blog? You might be surprised how many people end up on your page from seemingly-random Google searches.</p>
<p>Overall, though, the guy did something public in publishing a blog, and ended up getting read by a PhD level class at a school halfway across the country&#8211; not bad for someone who, according to his bio, still hasn&#8217;t completed his PhD.</p>
<p>Personally, because of the public nature of all this, I try to always remind myself that the assignments in the classes that require blogs are at least potentially profile-raising (for better or for worse.)</p>
<p>_______________________________</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you mentioned flickr, though&#8211; it&#8217;s another thing, like blogging, that&#8217;s democratizing access to production&#8230;</p>
<p>A friend of mine just paid half her rent with a picture on her flickr account that got picked up by Newsweek online.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put your finger on a strange element of Ahmed&#039;s Manifesto. It seems he&#039;s voicing a personal preference to stay out of the limelight, but blogging a provocative comment within the Clio-wired crowd seems to be having the opposite effect. 

As you note, blogging (even these humble entries) is opening our efforts to a wider audience. I wonder if we&#039;re just preaching to the choir, though.

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put your finger on a strange element of Ahmed&#8217;s Manifesto. It seems he&#8217;s voicing a personal preference to stay out of the limelight, but blogging a provocative comment within the Clio-wired crowd seems to be having the opposite effect. </p>
<p>As you note, blogging (even these humble entries) is opening our efforts to a wider audience. I wonder if we&#8217;re just preaching to the choir, though.</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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